Stuff White People Like: The A Train?

December 4, 2008 · 12 Comments

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For all of my Brooklyn heads, or anyone who rides the A or the C train regularly —

Is Jay St Brooklyn’s version of the 59th St conundrum? I remember once upon a time I was watching something akin to Def Poetry Jam and this white dude was talking about what he called “the 59th street conundrum” — his observation that on the uptown A train, all the white people get off at 59th street. (next stop 125th). I rarely venture that far uptown so I’m not sure.

However, I’m willing to bet that at least 70% of the white people on any given car on the downtown A/C train will indeed get off the train when it reaches Jay St./Borough Hall. (Of course to then get on the F train, which is a disturbingly white train by the way, once it gets into Brooklyn.) When you ride the A or the C, play close attention. I have a game that I like to play where I guess when people will get off the train — so far, so good.

But I do admit I’m having to adjust lately. It seems like white people have this new contest that they’re participating in. They’re all competing to see who can stay on the A train the longest. Most of them are gone by Clinton-Washington (or Nostrand on express), but even at Utica there tend to be 1 or 2 stragglers. I guess they win.

I attribute this white people contest to the nouveau hipster.

Now I understand that not all white people are hipsters (or do I mean trendsters?), and probably not all white people are participating in this new game, but I’m talking about white people at large here. To echo Bernie Mac, I’m talkin’ about universal white people.
I kid.

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I think hipsters have this need to prove that they are cultured and cosmopolitan, that they can traverse the metropolis without problems. They are post-everything, which is why they like to move to what might’ve been the hood (before they spread the word to their bros who pedaled over with kegs on their backs). They are post-white, post-class, even post-violence because they transcend all these things, they understand them, so they aren’t phased. Moving into the hood is also part of appropriating a working class aesthetic, which is a key hipster characteristic that Douglas Haddow mentions in his hilarious article Hipster: The Dead End of Western Civilization.

He writes:

The American Apparel V-neck shirt, Pabst Blue Ribbon beer and Parliament cigarettes are symbols and icons of working or revolutionary classes that have been appropriated by hipsterdom and drained of meaning. Ten years ago, a man wearing a plain V-neck tee and drinking a Pabst would never be accused of being a trend-follower. But in 2008, such things have become shameless clichés of a class of individuals that seek to escape their own wealth and privilege by immersing themselves in the aesthetic of the working class.

Word.

So uh… what about the A train?

Categories: Culture? · Race

12 responses so far ↓

  • G.D. // December 4, 2008 at 10:38 pm | Reply

    Most of the whitefolks who are still on the A train after Jay get off at Hoyt. My old theory was that there was some invisible membrane around Franklin Avenue that would cause them to spontaneously combust if they passed through it. Maybe the membrane is on, like, Utica or something now.

    I moved from Bed-Stuy to Park Slope two months ago. It’s a complete culture shock. Fat free milk in bodegas (which are open all night). A surfeit of good restaurants (that actually deliver). But i’m always the only Negro on the train when I get off at Union. I still haven’t adjusted.

  • the black scientist // December 5, 2008 at 12:23 am | Reply

    i love how whitefolks is one word.
    the membrane theory may be true. it worries me though that soon it’ll be pushed back to howard beach or something.
    park slope does have some good eats. its crazy how much brooklyn changes in a matter of like.. 5 blocks.. i still make the mistake of believing the 24-hour awnings at various corner spots in my neighborhood. cookies at 2am just ain’t happenin’ in these parts.

  • arabella // January 4, 2009 at 12:02 am | Reply

    I’ve been watching this phenomenon too. I was born and raised in park slope, moved away for a bit and moved back only to find a very different neighborhood. Getting off my old F train at 7 ave and seeing a tanning salon was like whoa. I ended up leaving PS for stuy heights (so I’m off the A Utica stop) and YES, the white ppl are staying on and lots get off with me. I recently had a white friend get interested in bk for an apt (the recession hurts white ppl too I guess). He’s been to bk maybe once, and asked me which neighborhoods he should look into… I tried not to offend him but I didn’t want to send him anywhere he’d be a target so I told him to stay west of the Park, minus sunset park… I’ll be amazed if he actually ventures out here. I love love love BK and after living in the BX (no hate), I would not live anywhere else but MAN is it changing!!!!!!!

  • Molly // January 7, 2009 at 3:35 pm | Reply

    They may be “shameless clichés of a class of individuals that seek to escape their own wealth and privilege by immersing themselves in the aesthetic of the working class” or artists who need visual props in order to seem credible for other people in their industry. I am a designer and *not* coming off as a trendster often hurts my credibility in the eyes of other design professionals. I am just as uncomfortable with trendster culture, but don’t discount the fact that many of these whitefolks are creatives who need a “look” for professional reasons.

  • the black scientist // January 8, 2009 at 6:51 pm | Reply

    arabella – it’s funny when white friends move to brooklyn. it’s like ‘oh you know i love you but don’t move to my block’ lol. ’stuy heights’ gets my motor running, because renaming neighborhoods in ny goes hand in hand with gentrification. ’south’ harlem is ’soha’ and you have stuy heights and whatever else, i try not to keep up.

    molly – this is actually really interesting, and i’m learning about it living in new york. looks have a lot to do with the way you’re received. i think this is true anywhere, but more so in new york, where everyone is trying to be something. i’m a dj but i also write and work at a desk and am a student so i stick to simple get ups, but i notice that certain ‘looks’ in certain situations make ppl seem more credible, or believable.

  • Naima // January 28, 2009 at 11:44 am | Reply

    Oh god, I’ve really been trying to wrap my head around gentrificiation lately. especially being apart of the “new wave” of black gentrifiers in bk. Where although I’m working class, I still benefit from certain privileges and am definitely aware of being so west coast in bedstuy. Anyway, it seems the way gentrification works – any black/brown neighborhood that isn’t completely affluent, I’d be apart of changing the face/nature/culture of the neighborhood, despite my supposed consciousness, despite being working class, despite being black, despite my own hometown (sf) being completely gentrified, etc..

    Yet i do get a bitter taste when the whitefolks get off the a and walk up to their brownstones, I like to think my own form of gentrification is different than theirs.

    oh and fyi – i’ve been seeing condos being built all throughout bedstuy, we better watch out!

  • the black scientist // January 28, 2009 at 6:34 pm | Reply

    naima – don’t quote me on this by any means, but from what i understand ‘your’ gentrification is different. i’ve been talking to some heads about ‘redlining’ and the creation of this phenomena where white bodies increase property value. while you moving to bedstuy may change the face/nature/culture of the neighborhood, businesses won’t follow you there (regardless of whether you’re working poor black or upper middle class) . i haven’t read up much on this, but with white people comes more expensive commodities, more businesses, and so on, because when *enough* of them move to a neighborhood, a whole lot of investment is to follow. and this, apparently, is what triggers what we’ve come to know as gentrification.

  • C to the A // March 29, 2009 at 9:53 pm | Reply

    You make a very good point. While I am from Texas, Austin to be exact. I see similar things with even greater “shameless” fronting. All this “post” talk about white people being beyond “this and that” wanting to embrace the “city” and Kerouac-like fraternizing with the “lower folk”, is a self-aggrandizement of the worst sorts. It is toying with disadvantage, what used to be called “slumming”, is now called “being hip”. What is so worse, that even though the Beat writers did not come up in poor and broken areas, they were at least authentic with their identify, even though one may question their fraternity with blacks. Anyway, this is nothing new, from the minstrel shows to the wigger movement in the suburbs, what 2pac said in his song White Man’s world is almost true. Yes, “they all wanna be us”. However, just for a moment and then they quickly step back into their trust fund secured lives.

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  • jos // July 12, 2009 at 5:01 pm | Reply

    this is stupid

    • the black scientist // July 12, 2009 at 10:24 pm | Reply

      i figured i’d approve your comment because i guess you should have the right to make a pointless statement if you feel like it (given that it’s not completely obnoxious). however, i strongly encourage you to actually say something worthwhile next time. at least give us the opportunity to discuss why ‘this is stupid’.

  • chad nardine // November 14, 2009 at 2:35 am | Reply

    Hello.My name is Chad.I really enjoy this post!Thought Id chime in to say That Im white and I have taken interest in Bed Stuy.I currently live in sunset park but will be trying to find my own place soon(to rent).Why Bed Stuy and why Sunset for that matter???I really am glad you asked.I moved from CA and went directly to Bay Ridge,I worked there.Living in bay ridge was uninspiring for me personly.People reaguarly yelled faggot out the car window at me(im straight and often was holding my girlfriends hand while this happened).They cat called my girlfriend while I was holding her hand.They yelled the “N word”at my black friends.They looked at me funny if I walked hand in hand with a girl much darker than me.And on and on and on…….so to my point.If I cant afford to live in fort greene or Clinton Hill and find many areas of bed stuy breath taking and am not looking at a move as an eventual pay off but rather what I will enjoy now,then why not?Whats the alternative?Move to Bensonhurst or back to bay ridge???Hell no!And come on…what would you say if I did choose bensonhurst over Bed Stuy?Look at the end of the day Im trying to make it in ny.I dont think ive progressed beyond class systems or race but being a musician whose played with people from all over ,black white latin gay straight man woman etc,I guess I feel my dream world would be one where we could all live amongst each other as well.I really have nothing to prove to anyone.I dont have a trust fund I dont make alot of money and the money I get goes towards my vinyl collection.So knowing all this what train station do you think I should get off at?

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